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Old August 10th, 2007, 07:14 AM
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Baton Rouge Loop Corridors outlined in new map
Consultants unveiled a map Thursday showing several possible corridors for the proposed $4 billion Baton Rouge loop, stretching from the Sunshine Bridge (La. 70) to the south to a possible corridor between Baker and Zachary to the north.
At this point, engineers are studying the potential corridors — which range from 1,000 feet to 4,000 feet in width — to determine whether they will affect wetlands, state and federal lands, churches, schools and cemeteries, said consulting engineer Mike Bruce of ABMB Engineers.
“There’s not a corridor on this map that doesn’t have some kind of an impact. We’re going to try our best to minimize the impact, but we have to come up with routes that will relieve traffic congestion and make the loop viable,” Bruce told a loop committee.
As part of the planning process, the consultants must show state and federal agencies that they have looked at every possible route for the proposed toll-supported loop within the 11,000-square-mile “doughnut” identified around heavily populated areas of East Baton Rouge and Livingston parishes, Bruce said.
“This is the beginning of the process, not the end,” Bruce said, noting that the proposed corridors are likely to change over the next few weeks as engineers assess possible negative effects.
Walter Monsour, chief administrative officer for East Baton Rouge Mayor-President Kip Holden, said the key to a successful loop is relieving traffic.
“The more traffic you relieve, the more tolls will be generated,” he said.
Monsour said the extreme north and south routes may not prove feasible because motorists may not want to travel too far out of their way to pay the tolls and use the loop.
In all, the U.S. Coast Guard and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers have identified 12 possible river crossings for the loop, including a possible revamp and expansion of the U.S. 190 Bridge over the Mississippi River between East Baton Rouge and West Baton Rouge parishes.
But Huey Dugas, planning director for the Capital Region Planning Commission and one of the coordinators of the loop project, said that expanding the U.S. 190 Bridge may not be feasible.
Dugas noted that the state recently let a contract to widen the Huey P. Long Bridge in New Orleans, but the contractor is running into such mammoth problems that he’s questioning the feasibility of the project.
“The U.S. 190 Bridge is a sister bridge to the Huey P. Long, and any efforts to widen it will likely run into similar problems,” Dugas said.
Dugas also noted that recent studies have shown that about 27 percent of the traffic on the Baton Rouge area interstates, Interstates 10 and 12, and major arterials, such as Florida Boulevard, are motorists who are passing through the area.
Rannah Gray, a consultant who is helping to coordinate the loop implement efforts, said plans call for a series of public hearings Sept. 10 through Sept. 13 to let local residents sound off on the potential corridors.
Locations and times are still being worked out, but plans call for hearings to be held in East Baton Rouge, Ascension and Livingston. A fourth hearing will be held on the west side of the Mississippi for West Baton Rouge and Iberville residents.
In addressing the loop stakeholders committee that is supposed to interface with the local communities and businesses, Monsour emphasized the need for all five area parishes to work together.
“Let’s leave politics at the door and let’s think about what’s best for the five-parish region — and should have been done 40 years ago,” he said.



Source: The Advocate, SCOTT DYER, John Gipson
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Old August 20th, 2007, 04:43 PM
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I'm really counting on the nothern leg of the loop being the first corridor to go from dream to reality. Seems like it would take much less time to complete than the southern leg. If the old 190 bridge is used, all thats needed is an upgrade rather than a complete new bridge. Besides that, since I work in the eastern portion of where the north leg would branch out from, it would save me some time!
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Old August 21st, 2007, 07:57 AM
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The BR loop is long overdue so let's get on with the program. One thing that should be considered while trying to decide on a loop route is the effect that route will have on heavy / large commercial truck traffic through BR on the East West I10-I12 corridor. I firmly believe that if these trucks were removed from the I10-I12 East West corrigor, we would not have near the traffic problems that we do have now. As necessary as these vehicles are, they still clog up traffic just simply due to their large size. I strongly fear that we will not get these trucks off the East West I10-I12 corridor just by building a loop. Truckers who are East or West bound without going to New Oleans are not going to take a loop route that cost them time and money unless they have some incentive to do so. I propose that whatever route is chosen for the loop be done so with the idea in mind of inticing the trucker drivers off the through BR I10-I12 East West corridor, particularly during the hours of 7 to 9 AM and 3 to 6 PM. I do not have any suggestions on how this might be accomplished; even so, I say that whomever is thinking that truckers will take a by-pass just because it is a way to stay out of BR is denuding themselves and doing an injustice to those of us who have to travel that road every day during rush traffic. We must build something into this picture that gives truckers a reason to take a by-pass instead of going staight through.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 07:45 PM
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The BR loop is long overdue so let's get on with the program. One thing that should be considered while trying to decide on a loop route is the effect that route will have on heavy / large commercial truck traffic through BR on the East West I10-I12 corridor. I firmly believe that if these trucks were removed from the I10-I12 East West corrigor, we would not have near the traffic problems that we do have now. As necessary as these vehicles are, they still clog up traffic just simply due to their large size. I strongly fear that we will not get these trucks off the East West I10-I12 corridor just by building a loop. Truckers who are East or West bound without going to New Oleans are not going to take a loop route that cost them time and money unless they have some incentive to do so. I propose that whatever route is chosen for the loop be done so with the idea in mind of inticing the trucker drivers off the through BR I10-I12 East West corridor, particularly during the hours of 7 to 9 AM and 3 to 6 PM. I do not have any suggestions on how this might be accomplished; even so, I say that whomever is thinking that truckers will take a by-pass just because it is a way to stay out of BR is denuding themselves and doing an injustice to those of us who have to travel that road every day during rush traffic. We must build something into this picture that gives truckers a reason to take a by-pass instead of going staight through.
Gary, thats a very good point. I think the Loop will probably add 2 or 3 miles to the route through Baton Rouge. That being said, no way will these trucks opt for the longer route. You are correct about there really being no answer to the question of how to get them out of the main drag through Baton Rouge.

One thing does come to mind, however, and thats the fact that somehow, somewhere, someone didnt see fit to extend a 3 lane project all the way past Denham Springs. I mean, seriously, how could it not be as perilous as it is at the peak of afternoon traffic for I-12 to reduce its size by 1/3 at O'Neal Lane? I venture to say that if the 3 lanes extended out between Juban and Walker, afternoon traffic as well as morning traffic would be a fraction of the headache that it has been lately.
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 07:58 AM
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So, who is the loop for?

That map makes it look like Trucks and thru traffic would be adding lots of time to their trip s by going out of the way, and people that live in the city will still be taking the regular routes.

It may benefit those in outlying areas, but their are fewer of them and they aren't the ones blocking up the lanes anyway.
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Old August 24th, 2007, 10:36 AM
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Yeah, and what will happen when the city starts routing all of the traffic around the actual city and all of the businesses who rely on that traffic for revenue start going belly up?
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Old August 27th, 2007, 05:06 AM
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Why spend money widening the 190 bridge... just use it as is for a time period with the intent of building a bridge north of Baker later to connect the northern loop to. Purchase the right of way for the new bridge, but using the 190 bridge should save us much time, since the building of the bridge will probally be a great constraint on completion of the project.
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Old August 27th, 2007, 10:49 AM
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See you are trying to use logic and that is the problem. Why build a new bridge, when we can inconvenience everybody to rebuild a already shoddy bridge....
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I will tell you this, as someone who has traveled and also having family members that drive trucks cross country, most of the time they are going to take the loops. They may be a bit longer but they save time by missing the congestion. I am not sure about you but I would rather travel a few extra miles that sit still in city traffic. Especially if I am traveling with kids or pulling a trailer.
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I will tell you this, as someone who has traveled and also having family members that drive trucks cross country, most of the time they are going to take the loops. They may be a bit longer but they save time by missing the congestion. I am not sure about you but I would rather travel a few extra miles that sit still in city traffic. Especially if I am traveling with kids or pulling a trailer.
I totally agree with that.... The driving time could be the same or even a little longer, as long as I keep moving, i'm cool with it.
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